Well these are gosh darn tooting AMAZING!!! They sit just above my belly button, and they have the tummy suckerinerer section up the top BUT it has buttons and belt loops so you don??t need to dance to get them on. The length is good, the boot leg shape is good, and they have stretch. I think these are a roomy size and fit, and I would suggest going one number down if you want them to stay form fitting. If you??re happy for them to be loose, to your normal size.